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"Á¿¯u, ­ø¥Î¥D«Ó¦n¹Lla, ¨Ì®a«}¤@¼ËÄ~ÄòĹ°¨" - don't really agree...Beadman has done a lot of things on top of simply ridding (and winning) the horses in the races...for example, I have never seen a jockey that gives any report after each race as thorough as Beadman (you can see that after each race that he has won, instead of simply doing a "V" sign and taking photos like some other jockeys, he will keep giving the owners and JM his feedbacks on the ride)....in addition, Beadman also helps JM a lot in training his younger horses...of course, you can say that other experienced jockeys can also do such job, but will they do so for all the younger horses in the stable if he is not the stable jockey? I doubt it...even Whyte will only personally handle 2 to 3 of his favourite horses in John Size's stable...

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also don't fully agree with your rationale...as pointed out by other C hing, of course, his horses can still win races...any trainers can win races...the questions are: (1) if Beadman was still riding, would JM win more races than now; and (2) given that Beadman is not around to train the younger horses, will it affect the progression of those horses...

by the way, really not trying to start any fight...

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2. although JM keeps winning races, it cannot be used to prove that if Beadman (or another stable jockey) was still around, JM can't win more than he has now...

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