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作者: asiadragon 時間: 31/7/2008 09:22 AM 標題: Henrythenavigator 目標可能放在 Breeders Cup Classic

WHEN he has been there and done it, like Henrythenavigator has this season, there comes a time for other frontiers to be explored.

That moment arrived on Wednesday, when after Ballydoyle's dual Classic winning colt had racked up his fourth Group 1 victory in a row at a mile, the focus shifted from European to global targets.

The colt's head dismissal of Raven's Pass for the BGC Sussex Stakes on his first start against older horses, confirmed Henrythenavigator's status as Europe's outstanding miler.

Yet whatever programme connections map out for him from there, the final destination is Santa Anita, California, where he will contest this year's Breeders' Cup Classic, according the Coolmore supremo John Magnier.

“He's done the miling thing and the ultimate aim is to step him up in distance,” he said.

“The ambition is to go to Santa Anita and the plan is the Classic, but we don't have to decide now. I think he will go on any surface but we have to go and prove it. It may not work but we've got to try it.

“We did it with success with Giant's Causeway who enhanced his reputation in the race but we came unstuck with Galileo and Hawk Wing. I'm not saying we won't run him in anymore mile races but we do think he'll stay and he would have run in the Derby if the ground had been right.”

Henrythenavigator was cut to 6-1 (from 10-1) by Coral for the Classic, but was installed 7-2 favourite for the same race by Ladbrokes, who quote Curlin at 4-1 and Big Brown 6-1, after becoming trainer Aidan O'Brien's 16th Group 1 winner of the campaign.

Sent of the 4-11 favourite, Johnny Murtagh took Henrythenavigator into the lead a furlong and a half out when pacesetter Windsor Palace began to flag and, under intense pressure from the closing Raven's Pass, only just scrambled home in front.

O'Brien said: “David was doing his best on the pacemaker but he was going as fast as he could go. When that happens it just makes races a little bit complicated.

“He is a horse that gets a mile very well even if he has got the speed and when he does get to the front he is a little bit lazy. I thought he was very impressive off a slow pace.”

Giant's Causeway landed the Sussex Stakes in 2000 before going to America to run Tiznow very close in the Breeders' Cup Classic. This year's race will be run on a synthetic surface for the first time, heightening prospects of European success at the meeting.

Murtagh said: “I think Aidan mentioned the Breeders'Cup Classic and that's a real race to look forward to. I think he would be made for Santa Anita. He has a great turn of foot and polytrack rides like the grass. He could excel around there.

“I feel he is as good now if not better than he was at the start of the year. Today the pacemaker wasn't able to go fast enough that is why I had to commit a bit early. He quickened up well and idled a bit in front, but I think there was a bit more left in the tank.”

Having finished second to Henrythenavigator in the St James's Palace Stakes, Raven's Pass is closing the gap. The pair could meet again though the Breeders' Cup Mile is a more likely end of season target.

Trainer John Gosden said: “Our slight problem was being drawn on the rail. I didn't think Aidan's pacemaker was up to his usual standard and we even considered making it ourselves but if you jump and commit, the pacemaker is still going to come and annoy you.

“We didn't want to get stuck on the rail and penned in, so we had to come round. Youcan't give Henrythenavigator a length and a half start but that's what we had to do.

“I wouldn't mind meeting the winner again. We have to consider freshening our horse up. We'll look at the Breeders' Cup but do we go to the Prix Jacques Le Marois?

If we go to the Queen Elizabeth II Stakes, what will the ground be like? This is a summer ground horse. We'll think long and hard.”

Murtagh received a two day ban (August 13 and 14) for careless riding after Major Cadeaux, who finished third, took a bump from the winner.

Trainer Richard Hannon said: “It was a messy race with no gallop. We'll have a look at the Hungerford Stakes and then consider the Jacques Le Marois.”

Dream Eater was a non runner after being foundlame behind.

作者: Running 時間: 31/7/2008 09:28 AM

自巨人長堤挑戰失敗後，年年巴利多爾都一定有隻馬過去BC Classic。:aaa:

Henry個血統，睇上去跑泥地問題不大，最怕係長力，以及對手。:ppp:

作者: asiadragon 時間: 31/7/2008 09:30 AM

想學 Giant's Causeway :fff:

Murtagh said: “I think Aidan mentioned the Breeders'Cup Classic and that's a real race to look forward to. I think he would be made for Santa Anita. He has a great turn of foot and polytrack rides like the grass. He could excel around there.

但對手有 Curlin..Big Brown..可能 Casino Drive 都有機會..
這場絕對係硬仗

Raven's Pass 目標在傑克莫華大賽, 女皇伊利沙白二世錦標
目標都好明確..專攻 1600...如無意外..佢都可以拿番1場 G1:tttt:

作者: asiadragon 時間: 31/7/2008 09:33 AM

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原帖由 Running 於 31/7/2008 09:28 AM 發表
自巨人長堤挑戰失敗後，年年巴利多爾都一定有隻馬過去BC Classic。:aaa:

Henry個血統，睇上去跑泥地問題不大，最怕係長力，以及對手。:ppp:

是次機會都唔細....

Curlin, Big Brown, Casino Drive

如果 Curlin 真係草地唔得...唔跑 Arc...BC Classic 可以話係食硬..

Big Brown 要觀察多1-2場

Casino Drive 就要睇熱身賽如何..

Henry 係有一定機會:jjjj:

作者: Running 時間: 31/7/2008 09:33 AM

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原帖由 asiadragon 於 31/7/2008 09:30 AM 發表
想學 Giant's Causeway :fff:

Murtagh said: “I think Aidan mentioned the Breeders'Cup Classic and that's a real race to look forward to. I think he would be made for Santa Anita. He has a great turn of foot and polytrack rides like the grass. He could excel around there.

但對手有 Curlin..Big Brown..可能 Casino Drive 都有機會..
這場絕對係硬仗

Raven's Pass 目標在傑克莫華大賽, 女皇伊利沙白二世錦標
目標都好明確..專攻 1600...如無意外..佢都可以拿番1場 G1:tttt:

唔好話Curlin(呢隻而家都集中火力強攻Arc)，要對Big Brown、Casino Drive、甚至其他冒起中o既主隊馬，Henry都未必應付到。

Raven's Pass真係進步得快，睇進度可以贏到場G1。

作者: Running 時間: 31/7/2008 09:36 AM

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原帖由 asiadragon 於 31/7/2008 09:33 AM 發表

是次機會都唔細....

Curlin, Big Brown, Casino Drive

如果 Curlin 真係草地唔得...唔跑 Arc...BC Classic 可以話係食硬..

Big Brown 要觀察多1-2場

Casino Drive 就要睇熱身賽如何..

上次Curlin嘗試跑草都算成功，我估幕後好大機會過去跑Arc。:jjjj:

作者: asiadragon 時間: 31/7/2008 09:48 AM

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原帖由 Running 於 31/7/2008 09:33 AM 發表

唔好話Curlin(呢隻而家都集中火力強攻Arc)，要對Big Brown、Casino Drive、甚至其他冒起中o既主隊馬，Henry都未必應付到。

Raven's Pass真係進步得快，睇進度可以贏到場G1。

Raven's Pass 真係有進步..如果無太強的馬..例如 New Approach...睇果場走勢..實有頭馬:eee:

作者: asiadragon 時間: 31/7/2008 09:52 AM

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原帖由 Running 於 31/7/2008 09:36 AM 發表

上次Curlin嘗試跑草都算成功，我估幕後好大機會過去跑Arc。:jjjj:

跑 Arc..都係:ooo::ooo:

Brien 哥強勢出擊 ( Soldier of Fortune, Duke)

+ Royer-Dupre 2隻強到震的 Montmartre & Zarkava

仲有躍升果堆...

Curlin 頭5名都有交代:ooo:

作者: Running 時間: 31/7/2008 09:54 AM

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原帖由 asiadragon 於 31/7/2008 09:52 AM 發表

跑 Arc..都係:ooo::ooo:

Brien 哥強勢出擊 ( Soldier of Fortune, Duke)

+ Royer-Dupre 2隻強到震的 Montmartre & Zarkava

仲有躍升果堆...

Curlin 頭5名都有交代:ooo:

Zarkava睇個勢都會轉跑Opera

唔係蘇仔點騎Montmartre

作者: asiadragon 時間: 31/7/2008 09:58 AM

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原帖由 Running 於 31/7/2008 09:54 AM 發表

Zarkava睇個勢都會轉跑Opera

唔係蘇仔點騎Montmartre

暫時都未落實

但相信都係 Zarkava 讓路多

不如估下 Curlin 到時在 Arc 跑成點:fff:

作者: Running 時間: 31/7/2008 10:06 AM

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原帖由 asiadragon 於 31/7/2008 09:58 AM 發表

暫時都未落實

但相信都係 Zarkava 讓路多

不如估下 Curlin 到時在 Arc 跑成點:fff:

如果真係跑，我覺得似大敗而回:ooo:

作者: asiadragon 時間: 31/7/2008 10:09 AM

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原帖由 Running 於 31/7/2008 10:06 AM 發表

如果真係跑，我覺得似大敗而回:ooo:

未必...可能會先過 Brien 的 Rabbit 過終點..:yyy:

作者: 李澤楷 時間: 31/7/2008 10:42 AM

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原帖由 Running 於 31/7/2008 10:06 AM 發表

如果真係跑，我覺得似大敗而回:ooo:

都叫做參與過:fff:

作者: Running 時間: 31/7/2008 10:45 AM

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原帖由 李澤楷 於 31/7/2008 10:42 AM 發表

都叫做參與過:fff:

都叫係去過巴黎happy過:yyy:

作者: 李澤楷 時間: 31/7/2008 10:46 AM

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原帖由 Running 於 31/7/2008 10:45 AM 發表

都叫係去過巴黎happy過:yyy:

之後去番美國,然後遠征香港:fff:

作者: Running 時間: 31/7/2008 10:47 AM

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原帖由 李澤楷 於 31/7/2008 10:46 AM 發表

之後去番美國,然後遠征香港:fff:

過到o黎HK先算啦:fff:

藥檢o個關都已經夠晒煩

作者: S.WEEK 時間: 31/7/2008 11:18 AM

又跑一場賽馬會金杯，試下咩叫泥地 :yyy:

我包你跟都跟唔住 :fff:

作者: S.WEEK 時間: 31/7/2008 11:19 AM

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原帖由 Running 於 31/7/2008 09:54 AM 發表

Zarkava睇個勢都會轉跑Opera

唔係蘇仔點騎Montmartre

一定唔會讓路，因為 Montmartre 會係尼爾錦標就

俾巴利多爾團火燒死

Zarkava 跑完紅寶過來凱旋門屈機吧

作者: Running 時間: 31/7/2008 11:20 AM

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原帖由 S.WEEK 於 31/7/2008 11:18 AM 發表
又跑一場賽馬會金杯，試下咩叫泥地 :yyy:

我包你跟都跟唔住 :fff:

唔好話泥地，單係美國賽事o既段速，都足以玩死佢。:fff:

作者: Running 時間: 31/7/2008 11:21 AM

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原帖由 S.WEEK 於 31/7/2008 11:19 AM 發表

一定唔會讓路，因為 Montmartre 會係尼爾錦標就

俾巴利多爾團火燒死

Zarkava 跑完紅寶過來凱旋門屈機吧

巴利多爾堆三歲馬就唔多樂觀:ppp:

要鬥都要靠班年長馬

作者: S.WEEK 時間: 31/7/2008 11:24 AM

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原帖由 Running 於 31/7/2008 11:21 AM 發表

巴利多爾堆三歲馬就唔多樂觀:ppp:

要鬥都要靠班年長馬

上年我都係咁諗

點知幸運奇兵就殺了出來 :fff: :fff: 今年照樣可咁做

講真法國打比自轉了 2100 米，我覺得水準比以前差了不少

作者: S.WEEK 時間: 31/7/2008 11:25 AM

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原帖由 Running 於 31/7/2008 11:20 AM 發表

唔好話泥地，單係美國賽事o既段速，都足以玩死佢。:fff:

頭兩段 22.x 你跟又死

唔跟又要死 , 不如放棄呢個諗法做D配種好過

作者: Running 時間: 31/7/2008 11:32 AM

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原帖由 S.WEEK 於 31/7/2008 11:24 AM 發表

上年我都係咁諗

點知幸運奇兵就殺了出來 :fff: :fff: 今年照樣可咁做

講真法國打比自轉了 2100 米，我覺得水準比以前差了不少

少o左300米，結果成堆一哩馬上晒o黎，搞到成堆哩半馬完全冇用武之地。

唔知法國馬會幾時識得醒悟？

作者: Running 時間: 31/7/2008 11:33 AM

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原帖由 S.WEEK 於 31/7/2008 11:25 AM 發表

頭兩段 22.x 你跟又死

唔跟又要死 , 不如放棄呢個諗法做D配種好過

對於巴利多爾o黎講，當年巨人長堤之失，到而家都係一條刺。

所以年年點都要搵隻過去美國搏一搏。

作者: 李澤楷 時間: 31/7/2008 11:33 AM

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原帖由 Running 於 31/7/2008 11:32 AM 發表

少o左300米，結果成堆一哩馬上晒o黎，搞到成堆哩半馬完全冇用武之地。

唔知法國馬會幾時識得醒悟？

但巴黎大賽由2000米轉為2400米.

不過講到應受性,打比大賽點都高過巴黎大賽掛.

咁又證明左咩野呢:zzz:

作者: 李澤楷 時間: 31/7/2008 11:34 AM

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原帖由 Running 於 31/7/2008 11:33 AM 發表

對於巴利多爾o黎講，當年巨人長堤之失，到而家都係一條刺。

所以年年點都要搵隻過去美國搏一搏。

神鷹展翅,黑貓,華盛頓,天文學家,狄倫:fff:

作者: Running 時間: 31/7/2008 11:39 AM

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原帖由 李澤楷 於 31/7/2008 11:33 AM 發表

但巴黎大賽由2000米轉為2400米.

不過講到應受性,打比大賽點都高過巴黎大賽掛.

咁又證明左咩野呢:zzz:

其實最理想做法：

法國打比繼續跑2400、巴黎大賽都繼續跑2400

我覺得某程度上法國馬會係因為「市場需求」之下，先將打比縮程。:zzz:

作者: 李澤楷 時間: 31/7/2008 12:04 PM

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原帖由 Running 於 31/7/2008 11:39 AM 發表

其實最理想做法：

法國打比繼續跑2400、巴黎大賽都繼續跑2400

我覺得某程度上法國馬會係因為「市場需求」之下，先將打比縮程。:zzz:

我都覺得係咁,無理由大拿拿歐洲最經典3歲大賽打比大賽由最正宗既2400米縮程:fff: .
即係話俾大家聽法國1600米馬好多都上唔到2400米:fff:

作者: Running 時間: 31/7/2008 12:11 PM

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原帖由 李澤楷 於 31/7/2008 12:04 PM 發表

我都覺得係咁,無理由大拿拿歐洲最經典3歲大賽打比大賽由最正宗既2400米縮程:fff: .
即係話俾大家聽法國1600米馬好多都上唔到2400米:fff:

都唔一定係本土馬:fff:

其實都話埋俾周邊國家o既一哩馬聽：你地都可以過o黎跑，扳得上o黎就冇問題。:fff:

2100呢個路程，其實都幾騎呢：哩半馬好難縮到落o黎跑、一哩馬就要撐上o黎先得。

幾年前Sharmadal贏完法國2000堅尼，去到已經縮程o既法國打比，都幾乎俾風馳搞掂，

情況同香港打比幾乎一樣。:jjjj:

但法國本土冇哩半馬咩？又唔係啊。

[ 本帖最後由 Running 於 31/7/2008 12:12 PM 編輯 ]

作者: 李澤楷 時間: 31/7/2008 12:17 PM

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原帖由 Running 於 31/7/2008 12:11 PM 發表

都唔一定係本土馬:fff:

其實都話埋俾周邊國家o既一哩馬聽：你地都可以過o黎跑，扳得上o黎就冇問題。:fff:

2100呢個路程，其實都幾騎呢：哩半馬好難縮到落o黎跑、一哩馬就要撐上o黎先得。

幾年前Sh ...

咁又係,但最認受性比賽縮程始終係有d野:fff:

作者: Running 時間: 31/7/2008 12:17 PM

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原帖由 李澤楷 於 31/7/2008 12:17 PM 發表

咁又係,但最認受性比賽縮程始終係有d野:fff:

所以搞搞o下法國打比o既認受性開始下降。:fff:

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