標題: 愛彼錶女皇盃，4月25日沙田馬場 －「閒話一句」（白德民） [打印本頁]
作者:
您睇我唔到 時間: 26/4/2010 10:00 PM 標題: 愛彼錶女皇盃，4月25日沙田馬場 －「閒話一句」（白德民）
[iframe]http://www.hkjc.com/chinese/corporate/racing_news_item.asp?in_file=/chinese/news/news_2010042625066.htm[/iframe]
作者:
ryhme1 時間: 26/4/2010 10:02 PM
收操後發現氣管內有血:ccc:
作者:
poiuy 時間: 26/4/2010 10:03 PM
唔怪得賽前例課缺左
作者:
西人堅 時間: 26/4/2010 10:03 PM
就係差 last 果課操唔到就跑到咁....
作者:
ryhme1 時間: 26/4/2010 10:04 PM
咁仲去星洲?
作者:
dennis2299 時間: 26/4/2010 10:06 PM
一課差咁遠:ppp:
作者:
木奇異 時間: 26/4/2010 10:06 PM
終於都係要問 :eee: :eee:
作者:
您睇我唔到 時間: 26/4/2010 10:07 PM
個問題,馬會傷患冇公佈,大摩又唔提
咁對公眾利益有沖突喔
作者:
Running 時間: 26/4/2010 10:08 PM
咁搞法睇怕白生應該要停賽囉:lll:
作者:
mR.偉 時間: 26/4/2010 10:11 PM
隻好馬咁就無左:zzzzzzzzz: :zzzzzzzzz:
作者:
您睇我唔到 時間: 26/4/2010 10:23 PM
大摩今年己經3匹g1馬內出血
作者:
櫻花 時間: 26/4/2010 11:00 PM
唔怪得見隻"閒話一句"尾段有幾步好勁,但一接近"極品絲綢"時就慢左,只見白生隻左手拉住韁繩,仲以為佢拉馬添:yyy:
原來隻馬有事體力有問題,所以衝左幾步就無. 馬會呢次點都孭硬鑊,大賽兼注目馬賽前二星期內曾內出血唔公報,而且未有再搵獸醫驗過才準通過出賽(份通告無提我當無):tttt:
作者:
小野伸二 時間: 27/4/2010 12:50 AM
咁睇黎未必白生錯哂:ppp:
隻馬賽前有事應該係馬會公佈而唔係練馬師/騎師公佈..
而家騎法有問題，騎師有合理解釋...等埋練馬師份口供就真相大白..
作者:
君子 時間: 27/4/2010 12:59 AM
原帖由 小野伸二 於 27/4/2010 00:50 發表
咁睇黎未必白生錯哂:ppp:
隻馬賽前有事應該係馬會公佈而唔係練馬師/騎師公佈..
而家騎法有問題，騎師有合理解釋...等埋練馬師份口供就真相大白..
我完全同意白生講法..
但幾何肯定又有人會無限上線....
作者:
小野伸二 時間: 27/4/2010 01:04 AM 標題: 回復 #14 君子 的帖子
騎係隻馬上面既係佢
佢遇到咁既情況，責任已經係由幫隻馬取得最佳成績，變成保護自己同隻馬安全返終點啦:ppp:
而且隻馬末段又唔係無衝過...咪同百威勝平排過終點之嘛，大家一齊追唔到~
又唔見有人鬧莫雅:yyy:
作者:
君子 時間: 27/4/2010 02:09 AM
原帖由 小野伸二 於 27/4/2010 01:04 發表
騎係隻馬上面既係佢
佢遇到咁既情況，責任已經係由幫隻馬取得最佳成績，變成保護自己同隻馬安全返終點啦:ppp:
而且隻馬末段又唔係無衝過...咪同百威勝平排過終點之嘛，大家一齊追唔到~
又唔見有人鬧莫 ...
正如冼仔 老巫 走3-4疊就應份
d華將一走就產到你上天棚
作者:
小野伸二 時間: 27/4/2010 02:19 AM 標題: 回復 #16 君子 的帖子
昌哥同都爾走三四疊大家都習以為常添:yyy:
作者:
gogowin 時間: 30/4/2010 08:00 PM
出左英文版o既研訊結果, 結果預計一樣無人被罰..又係記錄在案...
30 April 2010
The Stewards today concluded their inquiry into D Beadman's riding of COLLECTION in The Audemars Piguet QE II Cup, particularly over the final 100 Metres. Further evidence was today taken from D Beadman as well as Mr J Moore, the trainer of COLLECTION.
Mr Moore stated that he had not issued any firm instructions to Jockey Beadman on how COLLECTION should be ridden as the horse is well-known to him. He did say however that he had an expectation that the horse would be ridden behind midfield as this is the horse's usual racing pattern. He said he also felt that from barrier 8 in a field of 9, it would not be possible for COLLECTION to be further forward in the race as there would be a strong possibility that COLLECTION would not obtain cover which would not be in the best interests of the horse. He said it was decided for VIVA PATACA to be ridden in a more forward position in this race due to it having drawn inside COLLECTION and, in his opinion, VIVA PATACA is a more adaptable horse than COLLECTION. He said accordingly he was completely satisfied with COLLECTION's position in the race and was also comfortable with COLLECTION racing on the fence albeit that he was aware that this was not D Beadman's preference which was to race one off the fence behind SUPER SATIN. He said he was of the view that D Beadman had made the correct decision to shift COLLECTION to the outside of SUPER SATIN shortly after entering the Straight rather than risk having the horse held up for clear running. He said by shifting COLLECTION to the outside, the horse was afforded uninterrupted running which provided COLLECTION with the best opportunity to finish off the race. He said that his observation of the video was that D Beadman had hit the horse on 15 occasions with the whip in the right hand over the final 200 Metres right up to the finish of the race and it was also his observation that COLLECTION was laying in which required Jockey Beadman to have a tighter hold on the left rein than he normally would have so as to prevent the horse from shifting in further. He said at COLLECTION's last start when ridden by D Beadman, the horse had shifted in abruptly in the Straight, severely interfering with another runner and resulting in Jockey Beadman being suspended.
Mr Moore expressed complete satisfaction with the manner in which COLLECTION had been ridden by D Beadman in this race and, in his view, the principal reason for COLLECTION's failure to finish in the placings was the slow tempo of the race.
D Beadman was advised that the Stewards are aware that when riding a horse in any race, a jockey is required to balance the competing obligations in relation to the safety and welfare of every horse and rider in the race together with the necessity to adequately test his horse to ensure the best possible placing in the race is achieved. He was advised that whilst it was apparent that COLLECTION had laid in at various times during the race, had shifted ground inwards towards SUPER SATIN when being ridden out over the final 100 Metres and that he had used the whip on 15 occasions in the right hand over about the final 200 Metres until the finish of the race, his riding out of COLLECTION over the concluding stages had come under notice due to restricted movement of his left arm. He was further advised that whilst he had a number of considerations in his riding out of the horse over the concluding stages, he has an obligation under the Rules of Racing to ensure that wherever circumstances permit he must fully test his mounts so as to leave no room for query.
Mr Moore was advised that his evidence would be reported.
As previously advised, COLLECTION was found to have mild blood in its trachea following track work on Saturday, 17 April 2010. When questioned regarding this matter, Mr Moore confirmed that as is his general practice with his horses in the lead up to feature races, he had COLLECTION scoped following fast work on the stated morning. He said that COLLECTION's track work on this occasion had pleased him and the advice from the work rider was that COLLECTION had worked strongly. He said other than it being routine practice, there were no concerns out of this piece of work which led him to have the horse scoped. He said that after mild blood was found in the horse's trachea, he decided that as COLLECTION was fully fit, there was no further requirement for the horse to undertake fast work in the lead up to the race in question. He stressed that COLLECTION did not miss any work following this gallop and that he was pleased with the progress of COLLECTION in the lead up to the race. It was his professional opinion that COLLECTION was fully fit when it was presented to race at Sha Tin on Sunday, 25 April 2010.
When assessing a horse's suitability to race, the Club's Department of Veterinary Regulation & International Liaison (DVR&IL) peruses the veterinary records of horses which are declared to run in advance of the respective horses undertaking their routine pre-race veterinary inspection the day prior to racing. The finding of blood in COLLECTION's trachea on 17 April 2010 had been properly entered into its veterinary record by Mr Moore's Clinical Veterinary Surgeon and this record was examined by the DVR&IL in the days leading up to the stated race.
It is widely accepted that a high percentage of horses will be found to have blood in the trachea following fast or intense track work. Mild blood in the trachea, which is generally graded as 2+ blood (grading 1 - 4), is best described as more than flecks of blood being found, but less than a continuous stream. Due to the high percentage of horses which may be found to have mild blood in its trachea after fast or intense work, whether it be following track work or racing, the DVR&IL does not report these findings as being of significance. This position in respect of reporting blood in the trachea is considered to be standard practice within the equine veterinary community.
Whilst the Club considers the dissemination of relevant information to the public to be of critical importance, at this time there is no intention for the Club to review its current reporting criteria in respect of blood being found in horses' tracheas.
英名版好長, 所以等晏d出埋中文版
作者:
neeDu 時間: 30/4/2010 08:04 PM
原帖由 gogowin 於 30/4/2010 08:00 PM 發表
出左英文版o既研訊結果, 結果預計一樣無人被罰..又係記錄在案...
30 April 2010
The Stewards today concluded their inquiry into D Beadman's riding of COLLECTION in The Audemars Piguet QE II Cup, ...
又係冇人被罰:rrr:
作者:
西人堅 時間: 30/4/2010 08:32 PM
原帖由 君子 於 27/4/2010 02:09 AM 發表
正如冼仔 老巫 走3-4疊就應份
d華將一走就產到你上天棚
應鏟果 d 又唔鏟....果 d 欄撚呢...明明轉完 大彎西左出去中間都仲要拉番入閘跑
作者:
ryhme1 時間: 30/4/2010 08:50 PM
原帖由 您睇我唔到 於 26/4/2010 10:23 PM 發表
大摩今年己經3匹g1馬內出血
依神殺晒= =
作者:
冼馬田 時間: 30/4/2010 11:41 PM
所以肉眼所睇倒0既野，都未必係真的﹗好似電影《濟公》周星馳講，人總是被眼前的事物朦閉，狗屎都當係黃金﹗:yyy: :yyy:
作者:
莫問我是誰 時間: 1/5/2010 08:38 AM
愛彼錶女皇盃，4月25日沙田馬場 -「閒話一句」(白德民)
2010年4月30日
競賽董事小組今日完成了有關白德民在愛彼錶女皇盃中，尤其於最後一百米，策騎「閒話一句」之方法的研訊。白德民及「閒話一句」的練馬師約翰摩亞今天作出進一步證供。
約翰摩亞說，他並無確實指示白德民應該如何策騎「閒話一句」，因為白德民對此駒已甚為熟悉。然而，他說預期此駒會居於中間位置之後競跑，因為這是此駒的慣常競賽模式。他說，他又覺得，「閒話一句」在這場共有九駒競逐的賽事中排第八檔出閘，不可能居於更前位置競跑，因為這樣會令「閒話一句」很可能難以取得遮擋，所以對此駒未必最為有利。他說，賽前已決定讓「爆冷」在此賽中居於更前位置競跑，因為「爆冷」排在「閒話一句」內側的檔位出閘。他認為「爆冷」的跑法比「閒話一句」更靈活。他說，他因而完全滿意「閒話一句」沿途所居的位置，而且對「閒話一句」貼欄競跑亦感滿意，雖然據他所知，白德民原本希望走第二疊，跟隨「極品絲綢」競跑。他說，他認為白德民已作出正確決定，於入直路後不久即將「閒話一句」移至「極品絲綢」外側上前，而不冒險讓坐騎受困。他說，將「閒話一句」移至外側競跑，可讓牠暢通無阻地上前，從而有機會直衝終點。他說，翻看賽事影片後，他觀察到，白德民在最後二百米內曾十五次以右手鞭策「閒話一句」，直至終點為止，而他亦觀察到，「閒話一句」當時正在俟向內側，因此白德民必須將左邊韁繩收得較慣常為緊，以阻止此駒進一步向內斜跑。他說，「閒話一句」上次由白德民策騎出賽時，曾在直路上急促向內斜跑，對另一匹馬造成嚴重干擾，白德民因而被罰停賽。
約翰摩亞表示，他完全滿意白德民在此賽中策騎「閒話一句」的方法。他認為「閒話一句」未能跑入位置的主要原因在於賽事步速緩慢。
小組告知白德民，他們明白，騎師策騎馬匹出賽時，必須在競賽責任、同場馬匹及騎師的安全，以及讓坐騎充分施為以確保取得最佳名次等之間取得平衡。小組告誡白德民，儘管「閒話一句」顯然曾在陣上多次俟向內側，並於最後一百米受催策時趨向內側的「極品絲綢」斜跑，而他在最後大約二百米內十五次以右手鞭策「閒話一句」，直至賽事結束為止，然而，他在末段的騎法已引起關注，因為他的左臂動作緊促。小組進一步告誡他，雖然他在末段策騎「閒話一句」時，曾考慮多項因素，但按照賽事規例，只要情況許可，他就必須充分發揮坐騎，令人無可置疑。
小組告知約翰摩亞，他的證供會載入報告。
本會曾於早前公佈，「閒話一句」於4月17日星期六進行晨操後，被發現氣管內有少量血液。當被查詢此事時，約翰摩亞證實，一如他慣常為旗下馬匹備戰主要賽事般，他曾安排「閒話一句」在當日早上進行快操後接受內窺鏡檢查。他說，對於「閒話一句」該課操練的表現感到滿意，而為此駒主操的策騎員亦告知他，「閒話一句」在該課快操中走勢強勁。他說，讓此駒接受內窺鏡檢查，只屬慣常做法，而並非由於牠在該課晨操中有任何不妥而令他感到憂慮。他說，當發現「閒話一句」氣管內有少量血液後，他由於認為此駒已狀態十足，所以決定在競逐愛彼錶女皇盃之前，毋須再讓牠進行快操。他強調，在該課快操之後，「閒話一句」一直未嘗缺課，而他亦滿意「閒話一句」的賽前操練進度。按其專業意見，他認為「閒話一句」於4月25日星期日在沙田馬場上陣時狀態十足。
在評估馬匹是否適宜作賽時，馬會獸醫部(賽事管制及國際聯絡)會在宣佈出賽馬匹於賽前一天接受獸醫例行賽前檢查之前，首先詳細審閱有關馬匹的診療紀錄。「閒話一句」於4月17日被發現氣管內有血液一事，已由約翰摩亞馬房的診療獸醫正確載入此駒的診療紀錄中，而獸醫部(賽事管制及國際聯絡)亦曾在該賽之前數天查閱有關紀錄。
備受廣泛認同的是，馬匹在進行快試及劇烈操練之後，出現氣管內有血者，所佔比例很高。氣管內有少量血液，通常是指2+級別血量(血量可分為1至4級)，最適當的說明是，所發現的血量多於血斑，而又少於持續流血。由於馬匹進行快試及劇烈操練之後，發現氣管內有少量血液者，所佔比例很高，不論於操練或競賽之後亦然，因此獸醫部(賽事管制及國際聯絡)不會將有關發現視為重要事項而作出報告，而其在報告馬匹氣管內有血一事所採取的這一立場，則與馬獸醫界的標準做法一致。
馬會認為，向公眾發放相關資訊是非常重要的，但目前並無意檢討關於發現馬匹氣管內有血的現行通報準則。
作者:
莫問我是誰 時間: 1/5/2010 08:43 AM
閒話一句個走位我就覺得無問題...最大問題係德文末段隻左手完全無推騎動作~
小組告知白德民，他們明白，騎師策騎馬匹出賽時，必須在競賽責任、同場馬匹及騎師的安全，以及讓坐騎充分施為以確保取得最佳名次等之間取得平衡。小組告誡白德民，儘管「閒話一句」顯然曾在陣上多次俟向內側，並於最後一百米受催策時趨向內側的「極品絲綢」斜跑，而他在最後大約二百米內十五次以右手鞭策「閒話一句」，直至賽事結束為止，然而，他在末段的騎法已引起關注，因為他的左臂動作緊促。小組進一步告誡他，雖然他在末段策騎「閒話一句」時，曾考慮多項因素，但按照賽事規例，只要情況許可，他就必須充分發揮坐騎，令人無可置疑。
馬會都唔係盲,都見到佢左手緊促...德文叔就話怕隻馬內閃,因為上場就因為咁嬴馬而要停賽...咁係唔係以後閒話一句都要咁樣左手緊促性跑法呢??
今日又o岩o岩又一隻靚好聲好似閒話一句咁樣,上場隻馬入直路不停想內閃,韋達又係左手抽到實一實,今日換柏寶,係唔係又可以全程左手緊促呢?
作者:
Running 時間: 1/5/2010 12:40 PM
昨晨復課的大摩接受採訪時開腔回應近日所受的批評，並力撐白德民女皇盃一役發揮絕無問題。
他說：「『閒話一句』與『爆冷』是兩匹不同性能的馬，不能相提並論；況且同場另一匹熱門馬『百威勝』早段留得更後，跑法卻未受質疑，實在令我覺得受到不公平對待。」
大摩條氣好唔順喎:fff:
作者:
小野伸二 時間: 1/5/2010 12:47 PM
而家成篇野睇得出係馬會都有份理虧..所以唔敢鏟大摩同神父:ppp: :yyy:
| 歡迎光臨 賽馬世界 (http://racingworld.no-ip.org/) |
Powered by Discuz! 5.0.0 |